The Author Behind ‘Arrival’ Doesn’t Fear A.I. ‘Look at How We Treat Animals.’

March 30, 2021

Guests: Ted Chiang

Ted Chiang is an award-winning science-fiction short-story writer and the author of Stories of Your Life and Others and Exhalation. His story 'Story of Your Life' became the film Arrival, and his work has won multiple Hugo, Nebula and Locus awards.

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Science-fiction writer Ted Chiang joins Klein to discuss technology, storytelling and artificial intelligence. He distinguishes technology, which becomes cheap and broadly available, from magic, which marks special people; critiques superheroes as anti-egalitarian defenders of the status quo; and reflects on free will, determinism, and writing science fiction as literal versus metaphorical. On AI, Chiang argues current systems are nowhere near consciousness — creating it would likely produce vast suffering before moral agency — and predicts humans are likelier to mistreat AI the way they mistreat animals than to be dominated by superintelligence. He contends many fears about AI are really fears about capitalism: optimization pressure, job loss and weak social protections, using parrots and extraterrestrial life to probe moral consideration and animal suffering.

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