The Breaking of the Constitutional Order

February 5, 2025

Guests: Yuval Levin

Yuval Levin is the director of social, cultural and constitutional studies at the American Enterprise Institute and author of 'American Covenant: How the Constitution Unified Our Nation — and Could Again'; Klein presents him as a conservative thinker on how government actually works.

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Levin, a conservative constitutional thinker, offers a deliberately unpanicked read of Trump's first weeks: early-term chaos is normal, presidents always look omnipotent until reality and opposition push back, and this administration's slapdash style — the rescinded OMB freeze, the indiscriminate federal buyout — signals weakness more than mastery. He argues durable change requires legislation, which Trump's narrow majorities may not deliver, and that governing by executive fiat while treating the bureaucracy as the enemy produces maladministration. The discussion moves through constitutional theory: the separation of powers as distinct kinds of power, Congress's centrality, why members surrender authority to perform for fragmented media, and how presidential character (Trump's unpredictability vs. Biden's coalitional drift) hobbled both men's effectiveness. Levin's red line for genuine alarm: open defiance of a court order. He also defends the filibuster and cross-party bargaining as the system's intended logic.

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