Nancy Pelosi: 'It Didn't Sound Like Joe Biden to Me'
About this episode
Recorded the day Kamala Harris named Tim Walz as her running mate, this episode features former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on power and the 2024 election. Pelosi praises Walz as a red-to-blue former congressman beloved in the House and credits the 'weird' framing with deflating Trump. She recounts her pivotal role in the month before Biden's withdrawal — saying on 'Morning Joe' that the decision was Biden's, giving cover for others — explaining she wanted a campaign that could win. Drawing on her memoir 'The Art of Power,' she narrates legislative war stories: muscling the Affordable Care Act through after Scott Brown's win via reconciliation, and passing a defense bill carrying the Don't Ask, Don't Tell repeal by reading the opposition's votes. She describes herself as a 'weaver at a loom' holding the Democratic coalition together and calls a second Trump term unthinkable.