In This House, We're Angry When Government Fails

November 22, 2024

Guests: Jen Pahlka, Steven Teles

Steven Teles is a political scientist at Johns Hopkins, a senior fellow at the Niskanen Center, and the author of 'The Rise of the Conservative Legal Movement.' || Jennifer Pahlka is the founder of Code for America, a senior fellow at the Niskanen Center, and the author of 'Recoding America: Why Government Is Failing in the Digital Age, and How We Can Do Better.'

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Klein, political scientist Steven Teles, and 'Recoding America' author Jennifer Pahlka argue Democrats have become the party of defending institutions rather than making them work. Teles describes a new class politics: professionals who run institutions versus those subjected to them, with liberalism professionalized and populism as the reaction. Pahlka explains how procedural accretion — hiring rules that select for résumé-matching, 'sue, sue, sue' adversarial legalism, and endless permitting — has made government slow and untrustworthy, and why even well-intentioned process now blocks outcomes like housing and clean energy. They discuss civil service reform, the Democrats' losses in blue cities, Clinton-era 'reinventing government,' and Josh Shapiro's rapid I-95 repair as a model of 'I-95-ness': the willingness to suspend barriers and deliver. The conclusion: loving institutions means reforming them.

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