What We Learned From the Deepest Look at Homelessness in Decades

July 18, 2023

Guests: Jerusalem Demsas

Jerusalem Demsas is a staff writer at The Atlantic who covers housing and homelessness. (Hosted by Ezra Klein; not guest-hosted — the episode's guest is Demsas.)

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Ezra Klein interviews Atlantic staff writer Jerusalem Demsas about the Benioff Homelessness and Housing Initiative's landmark California study — 3,200 questionnaires and 365 interviews, the deepest look at homelessness in decades. The central finding: homelessness is a housing problem, concentrated where housing is scarcest and most expensive, which is why California's rates dwarf other states. Most respondents became homeless after moving to high-cost areas; many experience trauma, incarceration, and addiction, but those are not the primary drivers. Demsas argues Housing First works — Houston's model kept 86 percent of people housed — and rebuts myths about migrants and investors. Klein presses a 'disorder' framing, arguing visible street disorder erodes support for liberal cities; Demsas counters that criminalization does not solve homelessness. They agree on building more housing while disagreeing on policing's role.

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