Fiona Hill on Whether Ukraine Can Win — and What Happens if Russia Loses
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About this episode
Returning guest Fiona Hill, the Russia expert who served under three presidents, joins Klein a month into the war to assess how the conflict has changed. She explains why she has grown more pessimistic about a negotiated settlement: Russia's retreat from Kyiv looks like regrouping rather than de-escalation, and Putin's aims — subjugating Ukraine and dismembering its territory — remain unchanged. They discuss whether Ukraine can win and what winning would mean, the Bucha atrocities and the tension between justice and diplomacy, why sanctions and isolation are making Putin more popular at home, China's role, and why Hill fears the world is entering a darker, more fractured era.